- Phase Shift -

[thekiwimaddog]

Now that you mention it, how's vocals implementation going?
The only game I've seen with "working" vocals on a PC is World Tour. I know FoFiX has vocals but they're basically unplayable.

ya know perfection cant be rushed in either FoFix or Phase Shift. Tho if it were i coding this game, vocals, hell even harmonies would have been priority over pro instruments. But thats just me. whatever Kiwi and fatdog do, its their own business and how they run it is up to them.

Both me and faddog don't really enjoy the vocal side of the game and as such our preference is pushing it down the list. Vocal pitch detection is a project in itself and that requires quite specialist knowledge. I would need to spend a long time researching the techniques to get the detection to the standards needed for it to be usuable. This is the only thing I might consider outsourcing as it dosen't interrest me enough to spend the time on it.

Thanks
David

[PiXeLaDo]

Yeah, tha's what I thought. There's not much fuzz about vocals so I was just saying :D
Would you port a vocal pitch detection code, given the chance that somebody already has it and wants to contribute?

[raynebc]

Some of the UltraStar games (Performous, UltraStar DX) are open source and have rather mature pitch detection code. You might be able to get some inspiration from that. I'm pretty sure FoFiX has gotten some help from their code/developers in implementing vocals.

[aave000]

Some of the UltraStar games (Performous, UltraStar DX) are open source and have rather mature pitch detection code. You might be able to get some inspiration from that. I'm pretty sure FoFiX has gotten some help from their code/developers in implementing vocals.

To my knowledge, Fofix uses Performous' pitch detection code, but I hear they haven't been able to make it work very well. It does work great in Performous though, it has even gotten interest from several commercial companies (I'm one of the developers). However, it seems that Phase Shift is closed-source, so it couldn't use Performous', nor UltraStar Deluxe's code directly as they are GPL licensed.

Vocals in general are in my experience the most desired "game mode" when playing in the party. But as they are rather complex to implement and not that much fun when playing by yourself, I can see why so few of these clones do them.

PS: Phase Shift looks really nice and polished, but you can add me to the list of people complaining about lack of cross-platform (linux) support.

[kamakazikilla]

is there any possibility of an addition that would recognize an 8th note as a HOPO note (when you create a custom song, you can edit it so that all 8th notes are HOPOs instead of strummed notes... this is used in fofix)?? a very large library of songs have been created (primarily for use in fofix) that CAN be played in PS, however, songs that have been created and planned to utilize the forced 8th note HOPO, do not do so in PS..... which in gameplay terms, means that you do a looooot more strumming than you should..... and sure, you could go into your editor and force each individual HOPO, but that's completely unrealistic for the large catalog of songs available....

[thekiwimaddog]

is there any possibility of an addition that would recognize an 8th note as a HOPO note (when you create a custom song, you can edit it so that all 8th notes are HOPOs instead of strummed notes... this is used in fofix)?? a very large library of songs have been created (primarily for use in fofix) that CAN be played in PS, however, songs that have been created and planned to utilize the forced 8th note HOPO, do not do so in PS..... which in gameplay terms, means that you do a looooot more strumming than you should..... and sure, you could go into your editor and force each individual HOPO, but that's completely unrealistic for the large catalog of songs available....

Is there a song.ini tag for this?? I seem to think I've seen something relating to this. If so then it would be about 5 lines of code to implement.

Thanks
David

-- Edit: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:35 pm --

Some of the UltraStar games (Performous, UltraStar DX) are open source and have rather mature pitch detection code. You might be able to get some inspiration from that. I'm pretty sure FoFiX has gotten some help from their code/developers in implementing vocals.

To my knowledge, Fofix uses Performous' pitch detection code, but I hear they haven't been able to make it work very well. It does work great in Performous though, it has even gotten interest from several commercial companies (I'm one of the developers). However, it seems that Phase Shift is closed-source, so it couldn't use Performous', nor UltraStar Deluxe's code directly as they are GPL licensed.

Vocals in general are in my experience the most desired "game mode" when playing in the party. But as they are rather complex to implement and not that much fun when playing by yourself, I can see why so few of these clones do them.

PS: Phase Shift looks really nice and polished, but you can add me to the list of people complaining about lack of cross-platform (linux) support.

As a rule we don't like to "borrow" code for this project so when I say "outsourcing" I mean I'd buy the rights to some code or commission it.

Thanks
David

[raynebc]

Is there a song.ini tag for this?? I seem to think I've seen something relating to this. If so then it would be about 5 lines of code to implement.

It's "eighthnote_hopo = true" or "eighthnote_hopo = 1"

[thekiwimaddog]

Is there a song.ini tag for this?? I seem to think I've seen something relating to this. If so then it would be about 5 lines of code to implement.

It's "eighthnote_hopo = true" or "eighthnote_hopo = 1"

OK this shouldn't be a problem. Does anyone have a MIDI I can use for testing that is using the 8th note system?

At the moment i'm using the 12th note is this still cool for default?
Thanks
David

[kamakazikilla]

Is there a song.ini tag for this?? I seem to think I've seen something relating to this. If so then it would be about 5 lines of code to implement.

It's "eighthnote_hopo = true" or "eighthnote_hopo = 1"

OK this shouldn't be a problem. Does anyone have a MIDI I can use for testing that is using the 8th note system?

At the moment i'm using the 12th note is this still cool for default?
Thanks
David

i'm not entirely sure if this makes a difference or not, but i made a custom song that had 12th notes, and about every third note was strummed instead of a HOPO.....

[thekiwimaddog]

i'm not entirely sure if this makes a difference or not, but i made a custom song that had 12th notes, and about every third note was strummed instead of a HOPO.....

OK, well I've added support for this which will be included in the next release.
If someone could send me a MIDI that uses 8th note HOPO's and that maybe also has a youtube video that I can compare to make sure they are showing up correctly.

Thanks
David

[kamakazikilla]

i'm not entirely sure if this makes a difference or not, but i made a custom song that had 12th notes, and about every third note was strummed instead of a HOPO.....

OK, well I've added support for this which will be included in the next release.
If someone could send me a MIDI that uses 8th note HOPO's and that maybe also has a youtube video that I can compare to make sure they are showing up correctly.

Thanks
David

hmm, you could use lots of songs, but for 8th note, i suggest you search songs by a fretter named puppetz.... he's big on 8th note, and he has videos for almost every song..... so a fofix video, along with the song link should be just what you're looking for.... lemme take a second and see if i can find a good one for you...

-- Edit: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:13 pm --

jk, i lied..... youtube raped his videos off the site...... hmm..... i could send you a song, but idk if it has a video...... hold on...

-- Edit: Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:14 pm --

i've created a VERY BASIC test...... all it is, is a tiny portion of a song i fretted, that consists of all 8th notes that should be HOPOs..... in fofix, they are because they are noted as such, but in PS, they are not, i have tested them in both to verify this..... the notes start about two seconds in..... if PS plays them as HOPOs, i'd assume you've succeeded.....

http://www.mediafire.com/?p5y221p7t6pplz7

there it is!

[PiXeLaDo]

i suggest you search songs by a fretter named puppetz

Wow, just wow

You can use basically every single song from any Puppetz Hero older than Zero (Not sure if metallica and trivium use 8th as well).

[kamakazikilla]

i suggest you search songs by a fretter named puppetz

Wow, just wow

You can use basically every single song from any Puppetz Hero older than Zero (Not sure if metallica and trivium use 8th as well).

well, puppetz got his vids taken away by youtube.... so i just went with a very direct approach.... otherwise his songs would have worked excellent as well....

[Ambiguity]

People try to FC his charts all the time, why not just look them up instead?


http://www.mediafire.com/?ylmt4fmyzom

[thekiwimaddog]

People try to FC his charts all the time, why not just look them up instead?


http://www.mediafire.com/?ylmt4fmyzom

Thanks
I've tested it and without the Tag it plays wrong and now with the tag it plays fine so I guess it's working.

Thanks
David